Planning Commission Approves Blossom Ridge
The Oakland Township Planning Commission voted to recommend approval of the senior living project to the Board of Trustees.
It’s on to the next planning phase for Moceri Development, which received approval from the Oakland Township Planning Commission Tuesday to move forward with the Blossom Ridge project.
After months of deliberating on the project, emotions were high at the meeting and Township Hall was packed once again. Nearly four hours after the item was brought up at the meeting, planning commissioners were ready to make a motion, which resulted in a 5-2 approval of the Blossom Ridge senior-living community project to the Board of Trustees. Commissioner Roger Shultze and Secretary Janine Saputo were the two members that voted against the motion.
The 282-unit senior living community has been a hot topic since summer at Planning Commission meetings because of the location and size of the project. As proposed Blossom Ridge will be located at the northwest corner of Adams and Dutton Roads and will sit on 42 acres of land. Moceri Development needs approval for the plot of land to be rezoned from Medium Residential Density (MRD) to Multiple Family Residential Density with Planned Residential Rezoning Overlay (RM-PRRO) in order to build Blossom Ridge.
Understanding the commission’s role
Members of the Planning Commission discussed at length where their authority lies and what basis they have to recommend approval of the process.
Planning Commission Chairman James Carter pointed out to attendees that tabling the issue is up to the applicant, and that the Planning Commission could only make a motion based on the current master plan and ordinances. Commissioner Marc Edwards also pointed out to other members of the commission and attendees that the decision couldn’t be subjective but instead had to be based on facts.
“We’ve got to keep our personal opinions out of this,” Edwards said. “We knew it would be emotional, we knew it would be long; we’ve got to stick to our course and stick to the ordinances.”
Traffic, an issue that has repeatedly been brought up at past meetings, was once again under the magnifying glass Tuesday, but Edwards pointed out that traffic comes with growth. He continued by addressing statistics, which show in comparison to the 61 single-family dwellings that could scatter the property under its current zoning, the proposal would increase daily traffic by less than 1 percent.
“In 20 years, I have never seen a development rejected because of traffic. Much to my dismay, I would not have had The Hills of Oakland if that were the case,” Edwards said of the subdivision.
After ticking through special land use and zoning requirements, as well as relevant portions of the Master Plan, members, aside from Shultze and Saputo, seemed satisfied that Blossom Ridge met, and even exceeded, the requirements. The plot of land envisioned for Blossom Ridge is one of the three sites deemed appropriate in the master plan for a senior living community, which is a fact that many commissioners kept coming back to.
The approval was noted with just a few conditions, including that clear age restrictions for the dwellings be outlined and that there be an emphasis on the preservation of natural resources on the property.
Weighing in on the proposal
About 10 members of the community stepped up to the podium at the meeting, all addressing concerns about the project. Bob Sirna, member of the Residents for Responsible Growth in Oakland Township group did acknowledge that the group he represents is not against a senior living community, and that in fact the group endorses one. However, Sirna said, the density of the project is too large and not in character with Oakland Township. The density was one of Saputo’s concerns as well.
“Many of us residents do not object to a senior development; in fact we embrace it … we embrace the whole concept,” Sirna said. “We ask you to step back and look at the bigger picture. What is the best interest of a senior center … what is good for Oakland Township?”
Resident Craig Blust addressed his concerns that recommending approval of the property would set precedent for the other two locations that the Master Plan deems adequate for a high-density, senior-living facility. Township Attorney Steve Joppich jumped in and assured that since the sites are very different, there would still be a number of reasons to decline a similar project in the future.
Dominic Moceri pointed out a number of facts about the growing population of seniors living in Oakland Township, shining a light on the need for a senior living community. When Saputo questioned the density of the project and said she would feel more comfortable with a project with three to five dwelling units per acre, as stated in the master plan, Moceri told her she was blinded by the density.
“You’re blinded with the density, the impact is less,” Moceri said, comparing to the 61 homes that could be developed on the property. “193 units (instead of 282) will not work, absolutely not.”
Patricia Kane
7:02 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
I wonder how soon Adams Road will be nothing but signs, lights, brick and mortar
and absolutely nothing that it use to be which was scenic and natural.
The views, enough space for nature and the enjoyment of driving that road are pretty much gone and the decline continues still. It is a shame that developers don't rehab areas of vacant stores first, and strip malls that are marginal and failing--why not take land that is already built on, an eyesore or declining with multiple vacancies, raise it and build there? Some development may be smaller, but at least it would be better placed. If this goes through, what parcel is next? And the big question is, is it going to be affordable in this day and age? Many seniors can not afford to Iive in these retirement structures as they are too expensive for the average retiree. The area being talked about was served better the way it was.
Scot Beaton
2:40 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Patricia,
Could not agree with you more. I can't speak for Rochester or Oakland Township have not read their master plans lately. I can speak for Rochester Hills, our master plans authority lies within our mayors office and planning department. And the term "overlay zoning" is new to the Hills...we did not have this development tool when I was in office. Is this a good thing? No what has happened is land developers have been able to change the zoning "kinda". Overlay zoning was the tool that fooled the residents of Oakland Township and gave the land developer the legal tools to build. Mayor Bryan Barnett's planning department master plan through overlay zoning has virtually renderd all remaining vacant property in the Hills with increase density. All remaining vacant property on Rochester road south of Avon could be developed commercial with overlay zoning. This is a travesty that will ultimately ruin the character of our communities. Plus overlay zoning goes further to destroy the character of existing residential neighbors. Page 3.26 "the Christian Hills area contains many older homes on lots that are larger than the minimum lot area required in the underlying zoning district. Two adjoining lot could be assembled and split into three new lots." RH master plan. Why does our current leadership in the Hills want to destroy the character of our community?
Sandra
8:55 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Well, Looks like Scot is at it again, blaming Mayor Barnett for EVERYTHING! Seems to me that last time I checked Bryan Barnett is the Mayor of Rochester Hills, NOT Oakland Township, which this article is about!! Scot uses any excuse to drag out his opposition to Mayor Barnett- it is exhausting Scot- he is the Mayor get over it!!!!
As for the actual article- I am opposed to them building a large scale senior complex at this corner as well. I drive Adams & Dutton M-F and the traffic in the morning is horrible! I sit through 3-4 lights just to turn left on Dutton from Northbound Adams- no matter what time I leave- add in a large senior home and might as well put in a 5 lane road on Adams to accomodate the traffic increase-ugh! IMO
Moby49
7:15 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Congrats to Bob SIrna for a great fight, I hope we are more successful at the next step in the process. This development is just a bad idea in a bad place.
Judy Keyes
8:59 am on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
I also congratulate Bob Sirna for his extensive efforts. I was at the meeting last night, the way I understood it, this will be one of the largest, if not the largest, senior living centers in Oakland County. Yes, there are no such centers in Oakland Township, or others like it for that matter, this is what makes Oakland Township so unique and rural and why so many come to live from high density communities. I do not live anywhere close to this area and will not impacted by this facility on a day to day basis, however, I feel if this ultimately goes through, and the Board of Trustees approves this proposal, in it's current state, at such a high density, Oakland Twp. will set a precedent and pandora's box will be opened despite what the Township attorney said. Past ordinances were quoted by both sides and this will be quoted for future developments. First we loose the Mill Race dam impacting so many residents and tax payers, and also setting a precedent about property rights, or the lack thereof. Now this. Remember fellow residents of Oakland Twp., this is an election year, hold your Boards and Commissioners accountable. If you don't like the direction Oakland Twp. is taking, make your voice heard at the August 7th primary when these Board Members will be challenged!
Scot Beaton
3:20 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
What saddens me is this kind of major development, major expenditure of capital that is being spent for our seniors is being spent in the middle of know where. It will take some form of transportation ie. gas to get to a nice dinner or shopping. These kind of developments should be more suited for downtowns like Rochester where are seniors would not be held hostage to rising fuel cost and could have the fun and enjoyment to walk, bike or hoveround to shops, entertainment, fairs and restaurants...that's the 21th century trend in senior development. This development is very "old school planning".
Christopher
11:16 am on Thursday, February 9, 2012
I don't know your profession or background, so you may know a lot more about this than me, but I'm strike by a few things in your comment.
1. There is a huge difference in the cost of land between rural and urban settings. Both in cost per acre and the cost to prepare the land for building whatever you intend to build. Whether the plan is to knock down or re-purpose an existing structure, there are costs.
2. Maybe some of these existing services will be offered on site, or added at close and convenient shopping centers. It actually sounds like your issue is with the high gas tax imposed by the State of Michigan.
3. I don't think there is a law that prevents you from investing your money in a similar facility located in downtown Rochester.
Larry Adams
6:15 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
I strongly agree with the last post.
John Williamson
6:26 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
Are you people for real? This is what the area is master planned for. If I had the same attitude as most of you when your developments were being proposed you would not be living here now. Most of you are the reason for the heavy traffic on Adams. The Moceri's have always done first class developments in Oakland Township. Leave your opinions to yourselves and maybe this development will put some carpenters, plumber, electricians and other people to work, we sure could use it. Oh, I forgot all the people living in that area probably have all the money they need.
Scot Beaton
6:45 pm on Wednesday, February 8, 2012
John, thanks for your comments but this is not what this property was zoned for please read my comments to Patricia, there is overlay zoning allowing this development to take place on this property. This property has been zoned single family residential for years. You also totally crack me up with your comments about jobs. Let's say I'm going to build a multi-million gentleman's club next to your house; hundreds of new construction jobs and full time exotic entertainment jobs, would you still be jumping up and down for that development just because of jobs...please get real.
Christopher
11:17 am on Thursday, February 9, 2012
Scot,
So essentially your position is NIMBY, with a bunch of noise.
Scot Beaton
2:15 am on Thursday, February 9, 2012
Sandra,
Sorry you misinterpreted my post...and it was just to criticize our mayor. One only needs to look on my Rochester Media post to see were I stood on the candidates...please read that opinion I'm sure you will have second thoughts on my opinion for Bryan Barnett. I wish him well he only has 3.5 years left to serve as mayor of Rochester Hills. I was only referring to our city charter the authority of our master plan lies with the mayors office and if you have concerns with the document take it to him not city council. Overlay zoning I do have concerns with and this type of development will affect all three communities Rochester Hills, Rochester and Oakland Township. And if this project is approved by the Oakland Township trustees it will have a major impact on all our communities. Sandra thanks for your post the Patch is a great place for constructive debate.
John Williamson
8:40 am on Thursday, February 9, 2012
Scot, really? How can you compare a senior citizen housing project to a srip club? If you read my post I indicated that this is what it was Master Planned for, not currently zoned for, there is a difference. And yes I do think that any type of development that is planned for, properly and professionally laid out is good for the economy and should be encouraged. I have been a resident of Oakland Township for over 30 years and again if I had your attitude when your development was being proposed and I went to the Rochester Hills Plannning Commission meetings maybe there would not be so much traffic on Adams Road now!!! Thats Real.
Christopher
11:21 am on Thursday, February 9, 2012
Although I disagree with many of the arguments against this project, I actually think it's a bad idea because in 20 years when the baby boomers have passed there will be tens of thousands of mostly empty senior communities around the US that will quickly fall into disrepair.
Scot Beaton
12:52 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
Christopher, thanks for the post was having a "fun" conversation with John about jobs had nothing to do with NIMBY. I sincerely respect John's opinion...blanket statements about job creation to fuel urban sprawl I feel not a good argument for jobs. Also a master plan is what it says a "plan" a zoning map is a legal document that regulates land use...let's hope the Township Trustees make the right decision.
depatton
3:33 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
For those residents curious on the mechanics of how local governments work and how they interface with their constituents to provide representation without bias and to the highest level of personal integrity we demand of our children - plan to attend the next Oakland Twp Trustees meeting; Feb 14 and 28.
Steve Birch
6:29 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
Remember everyone, there were at least 15,000 other residents in Oakland Township that either had no problem with the development or maybe even was in favor of it and actually are RESIDENTS and TAXPAYERS of Oakland Township.
Daryl Patrishkoff
7:15 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
I am not an Oakland Twp resident, but live very close to where this complex will be. Legally I have no say in this issue.
However, if people want this to be open land then they should break out their checkbook and purchase the property, then they can keep it as a rural area. Moceri has made huge investments in this area and all of them have been first class and increased the value of the area with high profile beautiful properties.
They followed the process, the law, and then got this approved. They have made an investment and have a high standard for their properties. I feel very comfortable that they will do a great job on this property and as my parents look for this type of place to live I will consider their offering.
Scot Beaton
12:29 am on Friday, February 10, 2012
Daryl...thanks for your comments...this is a tough debate for the residents of Oakland Township to decide. I agree with you 100% this developer only knows how to do first class work. The dilemma is the property has been zoned single family residential for years about 61 homes...and know matter how "pretty" the developer can make this project look it still going to come off looking like an upscale apartment complex which will be out of character to the area; and one could argue will have a negative property value affect on the sounding single family existing developments. This kind of development will be wonderful for Oakland Township's tax base; but also one could argue that because Lansing Michigan has messed up public school funding, what this area may need more now is kids to fill schools not more seniors. We both don't live in Oakland Township, and your right all we can do is hope the residents and the developer together will be able to make the right decision. Daryl thanks for your post.
Marty Rosalik
8:58 pm on Thursday, February 9, 2012
I am and have been a tax paying resident in Oakland Township since 1984. Previously I grew up in Avon Township now Rochester Hills. If Mr. Moceri wants to develop his land, let him do so without changing the zoning. I left Rochester Hills to live on acreage as I do now. Too crowded. Too many rules. I split off some of my land and sold it. I built a home on the remaining. I did my development within the existing zoning. My objection to the project is the obvious packing in many more residences than current zoning allows. The higher density maximizes profit for the developer. It may not be profitable for him under current zoning. TOUGH! The last time this happened we had a special election to defeat the zoning. Then Mr. Moceri filed a $20 Million dollar law suit against the township (me the tax payer).
He is completely welcome to do anything within current zoning. That is his right.
Daryl Patrishkoff
5:59 am on Friday, February 10, 2012
Scot and Marty,
So we should never change the zoning in any area. I am not sure that is the way to manage a city's growth, yes we are all growing. As the world changes and evolves we have to change with the times, but follow the rules for these changes. There is a process to change the zoning in any community, why should we not have a process to change zoning?
If Moceri did not follow the process and get it approved you have an argument, but they did. We need investors to invest in all communities, States and our Country if we keep chasing them away with the "red tape" and making them bad guys they will not invest.
Moceri followed the process, got the zoning changed and the project approved. What is wrong with that?
depatton
7:17 am on Friday, February 10, 2012
This takes an lengthy response - so I will have to come back later... but for now: there are governmental processes in place to allow for builders, developers, residents, etc. to petition for rezoning. That is called "petition" the planning commission. (PC; is an appointed body of local citizens reviews application submissions (rezoning, site plans, developments, etc..) and sends approval or denial recommendations to the Township Board of Trustees. There are guiding principles ("Master Plan" and the inherit character and legacy of our township) the PC and TWP must follow for there to be equitably judgment in these petitions. I would recommend that those of you "on the fence" or think those against BR are just plain "bad" people - take time and look at the Master Plan in the TWP office and ask the clerk to review the BR plans vs. the 61 home current zoning. I'll comment more on the pressure tactics of the developer and fortitude of our PC later...
Marty Rosalik
8:42 am on Friday, February 10, 2012
Daryl; let's just start off with respectful dissagreement here. We are Oakland Township NOT a city. I have a sizeable investment of time and money in my residence and the community. I like to see what is left of the stars at night. I like the sound of the horses my neighbor has a quarter mile away. NO a thousand times NO. I will not forefit some of my quality of life for another mans profit. And that is what this is about. The zoning change is about profit and nothing more than profit.
We have a process to keep the zoning as well. Last time we had a special election, the zoning change went down 2-to-1. The current master plan came to be after I built and is still too much development for my likes. We have too much vacant commercial space now. We have too many unbuilt homes in developments that should NEVER have been started. We has several UGLY above gournd water reserviors to serve these developments. We have too much light pollution at night.
It is not an arguement. It is a stance on my quality of life and what I can do to keep it.
His investment will hurt mine!
depatton
8:48 am on Friday, February 10, 2012
Harvest Corners LOST 3:1.
Marty Rosalik
8:54 am on Friday, February 10, 2012
Sorry my bad.
Daryl Patrishkoff
3:03 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012
Marty,
I agree we disagree, but always with a respectful conversation. I really do appreciate it, after watching so many of these comment threads turn into personal attacks it is great to have a conversation. We see the world differently, but I believe we respect each others views, that is a good thing.
Marty Rosalik
8:03 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012
Thanks Daryl: posting with a real identity subdues some of the non-productive rhetoric, I believe this project will be built. I don't see the uproar that Harvest Corners had. From an engineering perspective it is probably the best place to put this development. (probably going to get flack for that) There is at least one 12" Detroit City water main that just pokes north of Dutton on Adams road. Plenty of Detroit River water. There are sewer mains available to take that water back to the river. Being on a hill top and on the Detroit system may have low pressure consequences in the future unless they tie into community wells north of there. There is no easy access to any shopping. That is a down side. But then Sisters of Mercy Bellebrook is similar in that respect.
There are more steps in this process so please pay attention. Mr Moceri tends to slip in about 10% to 15% more units than previously approved at the last minute. He did this with HC and that produced some ire with at least one trustee. The modified proposal came out the morning of one of the last votes. I didn't care for that last minute switching. Stay tuned. Almost 300 units on that parcel and on a hill top will look BIG. From Dutton all views are up. He has to comply with code height restrictions but my prediction... you won't like it.
Scot Beaton
10:01 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012
Marty,
Thanks great post very few get it...you do...this development will look totally out of character for the area...maybe Rochester Hills will have to build a big water tank to service the senior complex...LOL P.S. our water comes from the north a big pipe that goes way out into Lake Huron and the sewer follows the Clinton river in a big pipe all the way to Lake St.Clare just one of those fun trivial facts you learn sitting on a city council for nine years. Again thanks for the post.
Marty Rosalik
10:18 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012
Scot: I'm very familliar with the pipes. In junior high we actually played in them. We would use a wrench and open a man hole near Crooks Rd. and another behind where the Rochester Hills office building is. We would treat the new underground pipes like a cave. Until... they started flowing sewage.
Scot Beaton
10:29 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012
Marty...sorry should have been smart enough to see thru the sarcasm please forgive me; have a great weekend...and thanks for your post.
Marty Rosalik
10:50 pm on Friday, February 10, 2012
Scot: I hope I didn't come off sarcastic I didn't intend to, and no need to say you're sorry. Have a great weekend yourself.
Scot Beaton
12:02 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012
Marty, were on the same page...just how you explained where the water comes from and were it goes was "fun". Have a great weekend.
Marty Rosalik
11:50 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012
Scot: the aquifer under my home in Oakland Township is a long term concern to me. You referenced the Port Huron intake and the pipe from there. I don't know where the project stands now, but there was supposed to be a 96" (8 foot) diameter pipe connecting somewhere neare 28 Mile and old Van Dyke. It would run due west through Oakland Twp to relieve water supply concerns as far west as Clarkston. Most Oakland Twp subdivisions have community wells and Detroit sewer. As such these developments pump the ground water up then flush it in a pipe toward Detroit. I am concerned for my well drying up as these developments grow. Blossom Ridge if connected to Detroit systems would be "closed loop" Water from a lake/river source returned to said source. I was attempting to get someone to consider the ramifications of this senior center on a hill at the end of a pipe that may not have enough pressure for top floors depending on how much lawn watering may be going on at any moment south of it. If that east/west relief main never gets installed, the next building boom will stress existing systems even further. How well will a Rochester Hills tax payer funded pump station for this development go over?
Or Mr Moceri can attach to his existing enclave well systems and effect them.
Concerned
11:22 am on Saturday, February 11, 2012
I attended the last meeting and it is evident, Mr. Moceri is trying to deflect attention away from the topic of density. When asked a valid question about density by a Planning Commissioner, he chose one again to skim this area and say she was blinded by density. The average cost for a single unit in an assisted living facility is $2,000 to $6,000 per month. With this fact of course he doesn't want to reduce density to reflect the natural beauty of Oakland Township, more units more money in his pockets.
Bob Sirna
8:29 am on Tuesday, February 14, 2012
The Blossom Ridge developer has a long history of positive development in Oakland Township. However his current proposal is a significant departure from Oakland Township’s Density and Character. Blossom Ridge, as now proposed, does not conform to the guidelines of the Township Master Plan and its zoning statute. It is significantly more dense, at over 7.3 units per acre, and the traffic generated because of this density will be higher overall than a subdivision of single family homes. A senior community with a density within the Master Plan guide lines, 3 - 5 units per acre, would create significantly less traffic than a subdivision at this location. The lower density would allow the developer to craft a development that would be in keeping with Oakland Township’s character; i.e. a rural residential community. The township board should reject the proposal as currently submitted and send a clear message to the developer to present a new proposal that enhances the residential character of Oakland Township. Bob Sirna, 21 year Oakland Township resident.
John Observer
2:36 pm on Monday, March 5, 2012
Most people have not known some of the history behind the initial subdivision developments in the township. About 18-20 years ago there was a plan by the state to build a prison here. So, the township residents wanted to have subdivisions to make this a residential community. And once you open up to subdivision building, it may be hard to stop the growth. There were 58 residential building permits issued in the township in 2012. At this rate, the people living in subdivisions will outnumber the others and would want other amenities like gas stations etc. Whether it is perceived as good or bad news, it is perhaps only a matter of time when things change here. Larger corporations like Pulty will certainly check the master plan and build as many homes as they can compared to a good builder like Moceri who is building quality homes here. I am not taking any sides but stating the facts. This is probably a lost cause! Sooner or later the political landscape at the town hall will change and things may also change with it.
Judy Keyes
7:56 pm on Monday, March 5, 2012
John, NOTHING is ever a "lost cause." "WE the people" means alot. Make your presence known and your voices heard at the March13th meeting of the Trustees. Your right on one thing, sooner or later political landscapes do change and elections have consequences. VOTE August 7th at the Primary to have your voices heard. Responsible growth is not a lost cause. Thank you for your comments John! It's good to have debate on this...
Marty Rosalik
8:42 pm on Monday, March 5, 2012
Judy, you are right. Last time it went to a vote and the rezoning was defeated in a wide margin. The question is. Will enough citizens knock on doors with petitions again to stop ONLY the zoning change. You can not and should not stop development. But se get a say in the definition of "development".
John: the prison plan was in the mid 80s. I had just bought my vacant land prior to splitting and selling some. It had me worried a little. The prison plan was short lived. Too many wealthy people even back then in the township.
I split and sold at a profit and within existing zoning. Only the BIG developers get "special" treatment. Why? The building permit revenue is huge compared to the townships actual share of our tax payments. Every sewer tap, electrical permit, building permit, heating, cooling, plumbing permit all have fees (revenue) attached. The township has a built in incentive to allow more of these "permits".
This proposal is far enough from my back yard that I'm not going to lead the petition drive. However, I will knock on doors again for one.
depatton
11:41 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012
Additionally, the senior safety issue the petitioner keeps referring to from the August 11 posting - was taken from the Alzheimer's Association handbook provided to law enforcement officers working near senior living centers. And YES - they caution about wanders, lost patients and related safety issues. Its an easy read for the petitioner - may take 10 minutes.