Poll: Are You Happy With the Change in Michigan's Fireworks Law?
The Lake Orion Police Department has received a variety of complaints about fireworks over the past few weeks.
Bang. Boom. Fizzle. Flash.
Fireworks have been soaring into the skies of Lake Orion for weeks now—and the Fourth of July is still two weeks away.
Why are fireworks cropping up everywhere? Fireworks are now legal for people 18-years-old and older to purchase (and sell) in Michigan. Not all fireworks—but commercial fireworks including low-impact fireworks such as roman candles, fountains, bottle rockets and more. Professionals only can purchase large, explosive fireworks.
Though some people may be enjoying the free firework displays, others are not. Lake Orion Police Department has been getting numerous complaints about fireworks in the area and many Lake Orion Facebook pages are swarming with residents commenting about the disturbances the incessant flashes and booms are causing. Many of the posts refer to children and pets having a hard time sleeping and settling down due to the displays.
“The most important thing is we don’t want people hurt; as far as I know we have not had injury reports yet,” Lake Orion Police Chief Jerry Narsh said.
Village ordinances do allow officers to ticket people shooting off fireworks in some circumstances. Narsh said that they have considered looking into a local ordinance to have further control over the use of fireworks.
Narsh also noted that people need to be careful where they are shooting the fireworks from and where they are aiming at. If the debris from the fireworks is affecting another person's property based on the angle they are shot at, the shooter could be ticketed. People also need to ensure they are not shooting fireworks from public property, such as sidewalks, streets and schools, unless they have a permit to do so.
Narsh noted that complaints would be examined on a case-by-case basis, taking into account the time, day, property and location the fireworks were being shot at.
"We have to keep bouncing back to the premise — fireworks are legal, they usually make a noise, they're usually most enjoyed at night — when we add that up the police are limited in our response in our ability to satisfy everyone," Narsh said.
Similarly, Lt. Dan Toth of the Oakland County Sheriff’s Office Orion Township Substation noted at a recent board of trustees meeting that firework complaints were coming in and township ordinances, such as its noise ordinance, could be applied to the situation.
On national holidays, along with the days before and after the holidays, Narsh said that their hands are tied and unless the fireworks being shot off are illegal, there is very little officers can do to stop them. He did say that aside from holidays and special occasions, he expects the fireworks craze to die down after the summer months and initial exciting phase of people exercising their new right. However, he did say that like anything else, people will need to get used to the displays, now that the state law has changed.
"The answer isn't calling the police," he said. "It's contacting your state legislation."
"If all of a sudden train was built near your neighborhood, it would take awhile to get used to the sound of the train rolling through — that’s what this is," Narsh continued. "There’s going to have to be an adjustment by all parties because they’re here to stay."
Char Kruse
8:10 am on Thursday, June 21, 2012
it would not be so late if we didn't have daylight savings time! But for years people having been doing this anyway so why not make it legal and Mi. will get sales tax off it. My only concern is the dryness this summer, sure hope everyone takes cautions to that
Wendy
8:11 am on Thursday, June 21, 2012
Lake Orion Police say don't contact the police, contact your legislators....that is what we need to do, but do it locally. Rochester Hills passed a law allowing fireworks the day before a holiday, the day of a holiday, and the day after a holiday...that's it! Orion, Oxford, Addison, Oakland, etc. needs to enact something similar immediately. Not only are small children and pets traumatized every night for the last several weeks, we are using our law enforcement resources investigating fireworks complaints rather than stopping and fighting crime. The weeks post-high school graduation are some of the highest for drinking and driving offenses, yet our police officers are called to stop the booming of pyrotechnics, rather than patrolling our streets and watching out as people leave open houses and parties. A definitive law would change the demand on our resources, while it limits the disturbances to pets, children, and others. (By the way, the elderly are adversely affected as well. The agitation rate and nervous, upset behavior after the booms has increased dramatically in area nursing and private care homes.) Furthermore, from what I've witnessed, a majority of the fireworks set off over the last several weeks, have been from the parking lots adjacent to the tents selling the fireworks; so it's advertisement, not people celebrating a holiday- (which isn't here for 2 weeks yet.)
AL G
12:17 am on Sunday, June 24, 2012
"Rochester Hills passed a law allowing fireworks the day before a holiday, the day of a holiday, and the day after a holiday...that's it! "
sorry but RH didn't pass this law allowing fireworks 'only' on these days. they are not allowed by law (this new fireworks law) to make it illegal during these days. in fact NO township, village or city can pass a law disallowing fireworks the day before, after and during a holiday.
read house bill 4293 for more info
Asher Noll
10:17 pm on Thursday, June 21, 2012
I don't have a problem with it but then again I love fireworks. I do think that people shooting them should do so in a safe and respectful manner. They should stop shooting after 11 PM on weekdays and 12 PM on weekends. They also need to refrain from shooting them off in neighborhoods where the fireworks are exploding over somebody else's house. By all means they should also clean up their mess when finished. If they abuse their new found freedom it will only be a matter of time before it gets taken away again.
BobThePyro
12:36 am on Friday, June 22, 2012
As the article states, there will be an adjustment period. Given that this is the first 4th that all consumer (not "commercial" as the article calls them) are legal, folks might go a little overboard because of the novelty. But that will wane with time.
Most people who "hate" something they are not familiar with are really in fear of that thing out of lack understanding. Same goes for fireworks. Instead of putting effort into banning fireworks usage on days other than those protected by the new law, how about putting effort into educating the population about what consumer fireworks really are and their safe and considerate use? Yeah, it's a crazy idea, educating people, but it's radical enough that it just might work.
BIG_LUKE
9:32 am on Friday, June 22, 2012
Bob-
You are 100% correct in this case. Education, works for everything else in life, weird!
Robin Kowalski
2:43 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
I agree with Wendy. I live on the lake and the neighbors' homes are approximately 10 feet apart. I just spent $70 on Xanex at Donaldson Animal hospital for my 2 dogs. I pick up fire cracker debri off my lawn every morning. People are shooting off fireworks all day. I can't even take my dogs for a walk! I feel as if I am living in a war zone and must hide in my house to escape the noise and schrapnal. I also don't think Orion Township needs 4-5 firecracker sales tents on Lapeer Road. The law needs to be changed - people should be at least 100 feet away from neighbors/other homes, no minors shooting fireworks, etc. I believe that Royal Oak also has an ordinance that only allows firecrackers the day before, day of a holiday, and day after. This is what the Village of Lake Orion and the Twp. need. I don't understand what the thrill is to hear a big bang. Those residents who enjoy this should sign up for the military and go to Afghanistan!
I enjoy the annual fireworks - no wonder donations are down this year. Idiiots, I mean people, are foolishly spending money on their own noise makers. I am definitely contacting the politicians, including the Governor. I'm sure they will feel guilty once people start blowing their hands off! Ask me how I really feel!!!
BobThePyro
9:43 am on Saturday, June 23, 2012
The new law makes it illegal to sell consumer fireworks to a minor:
"Section 12(2) Consumer fireworks shall not be sold to a minor. A person that violates this subsection is responsible for a state civil infraction and may be ordered to pay a civil fine of not more than $500.00."
I'll wager you have not yet read the law. To save you the Google search:
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/documents/2011-2012/publicact/pdf/2011-PA-0256.pdf
Please read it then argue from an informed position. Otherwise, it won't be a fair fight.
Peter Griffin
10:05 am on Wednesday, July 4, 2012
Xanex for dogs --- wow, I guess it takes all kinds.
Adam Kolish
11:15 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012
Robin... more people overdose and die from xanax every year than are ever hurt by fireworks. More people are killed by dog attacks every year than are ever hurt by fireworks. Perhaps those things should be banned also. After all, I am extremely afraid of dogs and seeing your 'precious little ones' coming down the street at me causes far more panic than any aerial salute ever could. I don't understand the need to keep dogs... I think even the safest dog is capable of hurting someone, particularly if the people around the dogs do not have the proper education or understand how to treat them. I realize that its your right... its legal to take xanax and keep dogs in the United States... who am I to keep you from doing something perfectly legal just because I don't approve or understand it?
Robin Kowalski
5:16 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
Dear Adam,
I do NOT like giving my dogs Xanax! Also, my dogs, unlike you, do not have a mean bone in their bodies. Where do you live? My dogs are ALWAYS on a leash. They are also "Good Canine Citizens". I suggest you get psychological treatment for your unrational fear of dogs - especially my dogs!
Additionally, my dogs don't bother ex-military citizens who suffer from Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome or "shell shock" like firecrackers. People who enjoy hearing loud "bangs" need to serve our country in Afghanistan. I doubt they will be shooting firecrackers upon their return - that is, if they do return.
I don't trust dog haters with low IQs.
Adam Kolish
6:04 am on Wednesday, June 27, 2012
I believe you have completely missed the point of my comment Robin, it had nothing to do with dogs or xanax in the literal sense... and I find your anger and personal attacks both saddening and discouraging . I find it equally upsetting that you would try to rally support for troops with ptsd in your post while suggesting fireworks lovers go to ANOTHER country and kill people so that they can enjoy their 'bangs'. The troops you refer to fought bravely and hard to help ensure our freedom... the freedom to not only give your dogs xanax but to celebrate our independence with bbq's, parades and fireworks. The wonderful thing about America is that we are free... and with that freedom comes a price - personal sacrifice. The small inconvenience you may experience because of firecrackers is nothing when it comes to what the ability to go out and light that pyro means in the grand scheme of things. A great man once said ' Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.' Perhaps you might want to read my original post again and think about the idea I was actually trying to convey.
BobThePyro
6:24 am on Wednesday, June 27, 2012
@Adam
That guy was Benjamin Franklin and the actual quote was:
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
Adam Kolish
6:41 am on Wednesday, June 27, 2012
You are absolutely right on the quote I was referring to - thank you for posting the correct wording.
BIG_LUKE
1:46 pm on Wednesday, June 27, 2012
@ Adam, you sir are 100% correct. And I agree with your thought process exactly! Thank you for the approach of rational thinking you bring to the table here. It is refreshing to see someone outside the pyro community expressing their feelings from a logical and informed stance, instead of " I don't like it, so it's wrong, and everyone who does should leave to go fight a war so I can be happy" point of view.
@Bob there is some cleanup in the house right now to this bill from what I have heard, working on more descriptive definitions for what is or is not a low impact firework, as well as novelties, and thus regulating the sale to minors even more. Is that accurate to your understanding?
Teddi Harrell
7:28 pm on Sunday, April 7, 2013
Finally...someone with a grain of sense in their head... I'm so tiered of all the whining...thanks @Adam!
BIG_LUKE
2:40 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
Robin, i am sure you would feel more than guilty if one of your dogs bit someone, just like a fireworks salesman would feel guilty i someone was hurt by one of their items. Accidents, in all shapes and forms happen everyday. more kids are injured or killed in highschool sporting events, are you going to write a letter asking for those to be banned as well? Perhaps while you are writing that letter you will be so kind as to ask your municipality to forfeit the addl tax funding these sales are generating for the econemy, or the added 6% safety fee that goes directly to fire, EMS, or training and education for the authorities. Educate yourself about the items in which you are discussing.
Robin Kowalski
5:23 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
Dear BIG_LUKE,
If you are afraid to reveal you name, you have issues (probably anger) way beyond this blog. Why don't you educate yourself in spelling and writing the English language? Spend that firecracker money on a class to better yourself.
FYI my dogs work as therapy dogs. What do you do to make the world a better place?
BIG_LUKE
10:38 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
Robin, my name is Luke. Luke Southard. I work at one of the fireworks tents you so aggressively loathe. I LOVE booms, however I understand how someone who is uneducated about pyro may not.
The only anger I have in my life to be completely honest with you is for ignorance. Ignorance of people for my who jump to uneducated conclusions of hobby, ( no we are not terrorists or 15 year old kids who want to blow up mail boxes ), my job ( I have been in the fireworks industry professionally for nearly 10 years ) as well as my love ( I LOVE pyro! ).
And let's talk about IRRATIONAL thinking, for someone to think that anyone "who likes loud bangs" should serve their country in afghanistan to scratch their " thump junkie itch" is purely insane to me. Fireworks are a free flow form of experimental and expressive art. I guess if that is your take on this scenario then we might as well end this discussion right now. You are like 99.9% of all citizens on earth, scared, upset closed minded and ignorant with what you do not understand or personally appreciate. It is a real shame that since you now live in a "war zone" you choose to be a hermit and remain indoors instead of enjoying beautiful displays of color and light on a nice summer night while other people exercise their personal and legal right to celebrate their countries freedoms that the " adolescent minded boom loving" soldiers are currently fighting for.
End rant.
Tom
9:41 pm on Saturday, June 23, 2012
I get it that kids and teens love to shoot fireworks. When I was fourteen, I would have been thrilled if they had legalized fireworks. But that was forty years ago. I outgrew my interest, as I out grew loud music, getting stumbling drunk, and so on. These are adolescent things done by adolescents. That being said, anyone beyond the age of 25 that shoots off fireworks has a regressive adolescent mind set and needs to grow up.
This does not include trained pyrotechnicians that do this for a living.
BobThePyro
8:27 am on Sunday, June 24, 2012
Ever heard of this guy?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Plimpton
Generally considered to have a brain larger than most. Harvard graduate. Huge pyro-head.
Adults who expend great effort in aquiring, or worse, making illegal ground salutes (commonly refered to as M-80s) just so they can blow up stuff in the backyard, those are the folks with the regressive adolescent minds.
There are large numbers of us who are like ol' George. We understand the artistry and the mastery of chemistry that goes into the construction and choreography of fireworks. But it is not enough to merely watch. We want to do the choreography and performance. Is that the sign of an adolescent mind; wanting to do something artisitic, albeit in an unusual medium?
As for the typical 4th of July purchaser, to them, it's way of celebrating thier freedom. What's the harm in a little noise and color? John Adams approved:
“[Independence Day] will be the most memorable Epocha, in the History of America. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated, by succeeding Generations, as the great anniversary Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance by solemn Acts of Devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with Pomp and Parade, with Shows, Games, Sports, Guns, Bells, Bonfires and Illuminations from one End of this Continent to the other from this Time forward forever more.”
--John Adams
Illuminations is old way of saying "fireworks".
matthew Smith
10:56 am on Thursday, June 28, 2012
Not everyone over 25 who lights fireworks around the fourth of July has a "regressive adolescent mind set." Some of us do it for the kids, some of us do it cause its fun. Most importantly we are using fireworks to celebrate the birth of our great nation, which gives us the freedom to live our lives how we see fit and gives all of us the right to argue about stupid crap like this on a website.
BIG_LUKE
12:14 am on Sunday, June 24, 2012
How about pyro hobby groups or clubs? Would that qualify? Has it ever occurred to you that people are just into pyro? Would you tell amateur race car drivers to grow up and stop driving fast because its for teens? How about someone lets say a comic book collector who is 50-60yrs old? Should he just grow up? They are for adolescents after all!
Swiss54 / Steve
2:29 am on Sunday, June 24, 2012
@Wendy, Regarding your comment "Furthermore, from what I've witnessed, a majority of the fireworks set off over the last several weeks, have been from the parking lots adjacent to the tents selling the fireworks; so it's advertisement, not people celebrating a holiday"
> I am helping my son out at one of the fireworks sales tents in Lake Orion. There has been not a single shot or display lit at this site, nor at the tent that is right across M-24 from us. Many, if not most or all, of the folks operating these tents are experienced with pyrotechnics as well as very sane and sober about their use. How would it be in our best interest to flout the legal rule for the operation of these sales tents. If in fact you are aware of a sales location where fireworks are regularly being used within 300 ft. of the tent location, I'd suggest that you contact the State Fire Marshall's office to report the violation. You will not only be doing the right thing in terms of public safety, you will also be doing a service for all of the legitimate sales operations which are careful to follow the rules.
Brittney Moody
6:32 pm on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
Please remember when commenting on the article that everyone is welcome to their own opinion and has a right to express their opinion without being ridiculed. Thank you!
Swiss54 / Steve
11:51 am on Thursday, June 28, 2012
Hi, Robin - Here are a couple of sentiments expressed way more elegantly by these guys than what I would come up with:
"The Second [Fourth] Day of July 1776, will be the most memorable Epocha, in the History of America - I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated, by succeeding generations, as the great anniversary festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance, by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with pomp and parade, with shows, games, sports, guns, bells, bonfires and illuminations, from one end of this continent to the other, from this time forward forever" - John Adams
And, as to protecting us pyro fans from ourselves and protecting the recent of decent moral & mature society from us - "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - CS Lewis
Steve~~
Swiss54 / Steve
11:53 am on Thursday, June 28, 2012
(edit) "And, as to protecting us pyro fans from ourselves and protecting the REST of decent moral & mature society from us..."
Grow Up
8:35 pm on Saturday, June 30, 2012
Great! Make things legal that are dangerous in the name of FREEDOM!!! Wonderful!! How about Pornography? Should we take the restrictions off that? Or how about seatbelts?? Who are they to tell me to buckle up? And why can't I have a beer while I am driving? It takes more than one to get me impared! And why Can't I smoke anywhere now, even at OUTDOOR venues? What, like the wind won't carry it away! And what about this K2 stuff they ruled illegal cause some parents wouldn't watch their kids. Why should that hamper my right to buy it?! Not to mention seatbelts, and texting while driving,... Why do you think all those guys died the the wars? Why, it was to protect the right of 35 year old adolescents to act like bullys and blow off fireworks on neighborhood streets..
Pyro fans?? Clubs?? Jesus, man, you need a woman really bad....
BIG_LUKE
10:28 am on Sunday, July 1, 2012
Got a woman, deffinately dont need "jesus" and i think you are xonpletely missing the point here. They are still regulated. 18yrs and older, just like your cigarettes that kill over 2,000,000 a year wirldwide.... And my proffession is "dangerous" wow! You need to open your eyes to the real picture here buddy. We LOVE fireworks. Period! You like dungeons and dragons and comics, thats great, have fun with it, its your hobby, this is ours! People who shoot pyro should not feel riduculed simply because a few scared and uneducated individuals feel they need to infringe on anothers rights simply so that they are comfortable. Dont like fireworks? Head to California.... Land of fruit and nuts, you'll fit right in. If Robin feels that all who enjoy booms should be sent to war, i guess sending someone to california because they dont like fireworks would be equal in my eyes.
Pat Bailey
6:21 pm on Monday, July 9, 2012
I've read your comments, and I don't believe I have come across that many Non sequiturs in one space. Too many firecrackers go off near your head?
Candi Murasky
7:17 am on Wednesday, July 4, 2012
Listening to fireworks every night is LOUD & OBNOXIOUS......there should be restrictions to these things. We do not need to listen to them in JUNE, what does JUNE have to do with Independence Day?.......reading all the obnoxious comments above makes me realize why there are so many bullies in our children's school......look at how the parents are behaving (above) ..... shame on all of you!
BIG_LUKE
1:06 am on Friday, July 6, 2012
#1 I have no children.
#2 I am not on a forum to bully or belittle someone, only to express my feeling as I'm sure the rest of the contributors are.
#3 I don't instruct you, or make a recomendation upon when it should be legal for you to enjoy your hobby, or passion.
Just because it is not the norm does not make it dangerous, fireworks are no more dangerous than flying in an air race. Want to restrict that too? I just wish that some of you would at least try to see things from a pyro-enthusiast standpoint.
Chris
4:37 am on Sunday, July 8, 2012
yeah what a bunch of whiners! Geez it surely isn't like its the first state to pass the consumer fireworks law? Many other states have done so years ago without changing it back. do you not realize this ppl? Were not the only state to do this?? However common sense needs to be used yes, but it surely isnt the fault of fireworks. Me being a firefighter I think it is great that some of the tax is going to the education and support for Fire/EMS funding. It'll help keep our jobs to! I swear ppl sure need to do there research in the new "fireworks safety act" BEFORE they Whine and complain. Btw Thanks Luke, the Pro shells were great! do your research ppl.
Joseph Peruzzi
9:27 am on Tuesday, August 7, 2012
Call me crazy, but I feel my quality of life in Oakland township has been diminished by fireworks going off at all hours of the night. That was not the case in the past. I don't understand why so many of you favor such an intrusion into our lives so that a few can make a few extra bucks around the fourth of July. Michigan used to be a state that stood head and shoulders above many of our adjoining states, I think the Pure part is draining away quickly.