Car Hits Hamlin Pub in Lake Orion, Suspect Attempts to Flee

An intoxicated driver drove his car into the Lake Orion bar, fled the scene, resisted arrest and injured two deputies, according to a report from the Oakland County Sheriff's Deputies.

A man attempted to flee deputies and resisted arrest after hitting the Hamlin Pub on Lapeer Road with his car early Friday morning, according to a report from the Oakland County Sheriff's Office Orion Township Substation.

No one was injured in the bar, but two deputies were injured when the suspect resisted arrest, according to the report.

Deputies said the 23-year-old Orion Township resident hit the pub with his vehicle, then fled the scene before they arrived.

Lake Orion Village Police found the vehicle a short time later at Heights and Bellevue in Orion Township.

The driver failed his field sobriety test then tried to run away, according to the report. He physically resisted the deputies and Lake Orion officers trying to stop him. Deputies Tasered the suspect, and he was then taken into custody, police said.

Two deputies were injured during the arrest. One deputy received a laceration above his eye and the second deputy injured his wrist. Both were treated at McLaren Hospital.

Ron Doe October 09, 2012 at 09:57 PM
@everyone: I work in the kitchen at Lake Orion Hamlin Pub. I'm just glad that neither I, or any of my co-workers were back there at that exact moment when he crashed through the wall! If anyone wants to blame the Pub or it's staff on that night, you might as well put your foot in your mouth and blame them for him resisting arrest and beating on the police too.
me. October 09, 2012 at 11:14 PM
He has his share of responsibility to man up to, and in the end I'm sure he will have jail time and plenty of fines to face. Not only that but he now has to face family and friends and explain to them why he did what he did, and be strong enough to mentally move past the whole ordeal. Can you imagine? A night out on the town, then you run into a building...it's the talk of the town! And we wonder why he fled the cops. Honestly, I can't even fathom the fear he must have had. If I were in that situation I can't say that in my right mind I would flee, but if you got enough alcohol in me, there's no telling what I might do. Fight or flight...it's one of our most basic instincts. That said, I don't think that he should be THE ONLY ONE to get in trouble here. Part of the agreement of an establishment having a liquor license is that the employees be trained on how much can be served to an individual. They are not supposed to keep serving alcohol to someone that is obviously wasted, and if they can't say no then they should be able to bring someone into the situation (owner, police, someone of authority) that can. I work at a store that sells alcohol, and we even have to decline liquor sales on occasion if the customer is clearly intoxicated. Are your coworkers to blame for all of his actions? No. They are however the ones that served him all of that alcohol that night. They did not do their job as it's supposed to be done, and they ARE at least responsible for that.
me. October 09, 2012 at 11:54 PM
I have seen plenty of people do stupid things while under the influence of alcohol. That did not make them bad people. What creates a "good" or "bad" person is what they take with them after a mistake is made. Do they dig themselves deeper or do they try to learn from it and rise up a better person... Was what he did right? No. It was a very bad decision on his part, and it is one he is working to get past. I'm sure that HE is not trying to blame the pub, and neither am I. I whole heartedly agree that in the end he is the one that has to take responsibility for his own actions, including getting his drinking under control. I've seen alcoholism at play in my own life with my father. It took him years to get it under control, and those years were not pretty. If this whole ordeal helps to give this young man the drive that he needs, then he will be better for it in the end. So blame the pub for what he did? No, but they still should at the very least be retrained on the proper serving limits for their customers. They are still responsible for their own actions...
me. October 10, 2012 at 12:48 AM
He is taking responsibility for his actions, and to say otherwise without knowing anything about him, or knowing everything that unfolded that night, is pointless. “We can never judge the lives of others, because each person knows only their own pain and renunciation. It's one thing to feel that you are on the right path, but it's another to think that yours is the only path.” Paulo Coelho quotes
Peter Griffin October 10, 2012 at 04:34 PM
I still think: Drinking to the state of drunkeness + getting behing the wheel of a car + not caring who you hurt in the process + running from police = bad person. Plus, you blame the Pub in almost every post here. Blaming the pub for his drunkeness is like blaming Mickey D's for someone having a weight problem. No one MAKES you do anything you don't really want to do.
CJC October 10, 2012 at 11:35 PM
act like u never made a mistake that you dont regret. If u say you haven"t you are lying!!! We as humans makes mistake all the time, the concept behind us humans is we are a species that actually can learn from them and over time fix the problem.. The McDonald comment nice, remember back in 1992! The 79 year old was badly burned for spilling coffee on herself... Mcdonalds got sued over the coffee temperature being of 180-190 degress... Guess what Lieback won the case for having coffee served too hott and McDonald still agreed to pay her rightfull money.. Why wouldnt the Hamlin Pub have too own too their resposibility, if they dont they should lose there liqour license and not even be worthly too sell liqour, i know if they came too my town id boooo them the helll out of here. I dont know how or why, you people from lake orion arent concerned.. How would you feel if it were your son or daughter two years down the road?? Perhaps the authorities need to check them out before it happens again! And plus check this out!!! Dram Shop liabitity heard of it?? Well its illegal sales for liqour and this story is under it .. http://www.michigan.gov/documents/dleg/FINAL-_Retail_Guide_2009_WEB_304923_7.pdf
CJC October 10, 2012 at 11:36 PM
Oh and page 24 so u dont have too search for it
Peter Griffin October 11, 2012 at 12:28 AM
I've made mistakes, but never anything THAT serious. I would NEVER get behind the wheel drunk or run from police --- it's not worth the consequence. My dad taught me, at a very young age, 2 good lessons: 1) never let myself get put in a position/situation that would result in serious trouble -- I am in control of what situations I put myself in and I can control my own behavior (but not the behavior of others). 2) there are no such things as accidents -- there is just "not paying attention" and mechanical failure. (Car accidents fall into those 2 lumps) Following that advise, I have never been in trouble with the law and have never done anything that I would be ashamed to tell my kids about. I wake up, go to work, come home, take care of my kids, respect my wife, enjoy the weekend (without getting plastered), and have fun with the family and friends --- in other words, I keep my nose clean. As far as "Shop Liability"....I know about that --- but it is as stupid as "strict liability" laws. Shop Liability is so abused - just like when that individual spilled a hot cup of coffee on their lap. "Coffee is supposed to be hot ----- not THAT hot" (quoting Jerry Seinfeld & Kramer).
me. October 13, 2012 at 01:39 AM
Re: "you blame the Pub in almost every post here" -Peter Griffin You're right, I blame them for THEIR actions, not his. He still has to take his share of the responsibility, just as they should. They make the laws for a reason, and it is expected that EVERYONE follow them. This guy tried to flee law enforcement, and this establishment simply ignored the laws set in place for them. Both parties committed crimes, so why is it that only one party would be convicted? "Until the great mass of the people shall be filled with the sense of responsibility for each other's welfare, social justice can never be attained." -Helen Keller
me. October 13, 2012 at 01:45 AM
Re: "in other words, I keep my nose clean" -Peter Griffin Since when did this become part of the story? Get your facts straight.
me. October 13, 2012 at 01:51 AM
Re: "We as humans makes mistake all the time, the concept behind us humans is we are a species that actually can learn from them and over time fix the problem.." -CJC So true! It's unfortunate that this event ocurred, but hopefully it will be an important learning experience for all involved.
CJC October 13, 2012 at 05:01 PM
Wow, did you just make fun of that women who indured third degree burns, Peter?! What a person you are! Perhaps your father should have taught you to respect lives, everybody is worth a second chance .. perhaps you should turn your negative views into positive.. And you think laws aren't supposed to be strict, it's the only thing that governs people to keep them in line and your gonna sit here and say that BS.. You call yourself a good person but you remind me of a hateful old man that is used to his negativite old ways! People are people whether they get into trouble or not. My father taught me too respect people and not too judge people with out knowing all the details!
Peter Griffin October 13, 2012 at 11:58 PM
@CJC --- you serious?? When did I EVER make fun of a woman with 3rd degree burns?? And, EVERYONE is not worth a second chance -- sorry, that is just reality. I really don't want to give the loser who hit the pub a second chance -- he may kill someone the second time. Did anyone think that maybe he ran his vehicle into the Pub because they cut off his flow of booze and he was angry at them?? Just a thought. And to quote your last posting: "People are people whether they get into trouble or not. My father taught me too respect people and not too judge people with out knowing all the details!" -- People are not just given blind respect (that is just silly). Respect is earned. Plus, the details are: guy got drunk, hit pub, and ran from police. What other details do I need. I don't care why he got drunk. And by the way - I love strict laws. If you do some reading, you will learn that "strict liability" is the ability to sue anyone in the manufacturing, distribution or selling of a product that causes harm to someone. People sue whomever has the deepest pockets. That is what I cannot stand -- people finding a way to blame someone else for their own stupidity. There are some products that actually harm people (ie cars with sudden acceleration), but I am talking about people trying to get rich from their own mistakes. CJC, you sound young and naive -- it's ok, you'll learn more as you get older. BTW, I am only in my early 40's.
CJC October 14, 2012 at 04:18 PM
Im 25, yes im young with the hope for my fellow man kind.. Unlike a 40 year old man that throws wild crazy scenerio out for the public.. And yes u did make fun of that women. "Coffee is supposed to be hot ----- not THAT hot" (quoting Jerry Seinfeld & Kramer). In my book that just plain rude.. I hope this happens too one of your kids, then you will realize everybody is worth a second chance... And yes i do now about the liquor laws, if i was hammered at the bar. And they served me its a crime, thats where they crossed the line all they cared about was money.. U actually raise kids with your negative views?? why all the hate?? People change, and this man still have time too change.. And with your respect thought its dumb as fuck, you respect everybody until the trust is gone! Sorta like respect your elders, i respected you sir but now u crossed the line, and i can careless what you say.. I have my opinion like you have yours?
Peter Griffin October 14, 2012 at 05:06 PM
CJC little princess, you really let your immaturity show through with that one. Easy on the language. Obviously, you haven't made it past high school since you cannot think of any better words to use than 4-letter ones. You have a lot of growing up to do. I didn't think young ladies spoke that way????? You wish ill on my kids --- really nice (but at 25, maybe you don't know any better). Remember, having a realistic view of the world is knowing right from wrong and to stop accepting all of the grey areas as the norm. This attitude of "naughty-naughty....now don't do it again....we forgive you" is what has lead to the "marshmallow generation" having that extreme sense of entitlement. My kids are learning that they are the ONLY ones responsible for their actions. If you want to stick up for a drunk who runs from the police, knock yourself out. Are you in a relationship with this dude and did I strike a nerve? Sorry, didn't mean to offend your boyfriend, but he isn't worth your time. You can probably do better.
CJC October 14, 2012 at 05:06 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/14/AR2011011405709_5.html Tell me everybody isnt worth a second chance!
me. October 14, 2012 at 05:19 PM
Re: "I really don't want to give the loser who hit the pub a second chance -- he may kill someone the second time." -Peter Griffin OR he may learn from his mistakes and sober up? He's already most likely going to end up with jail time, but how you are talking that just isn't good enough. What should we do with him? Lock him up in prison for the rest of his life? There are some crimes that deserve that type of punishment, but I really don't see how this is one of them.
me. October 14, 2012 at 05:47 PM
Re: "Did anyone think that maybe he ran his vehicle into the Pub because they cut off his flow of booze and he was angry at them?? Just a thought." -Peter Griffin Now this is just ridiculous. For all we know it could really have been an accident. He could have put the car into drive instead of reverse, and not hit the brake in time. All we are given in the article was that a car was driven into the pub, the suspect fled (which he didn't flee very fast if authorities were able to catch up with him), and when they went to arrest him he resisted. Should he do jail time, yes. Should he have to cease his drinking and attend some form of AA, yes. Should he be required to do some form of anger management, yes. But should he 'never be given a second chance' based on the idea that 'he may have driven his car into the building because the pub stopped serving him liquor? No. "People always think that there has got to be a dark side to everyone, a closet with skeletons, demons under the bed. People think all kinds of things about one another. They feel compelled to make up fears and false assumptions about their closest friends. Truth is, I'll never know all there is to know about you just as you will never know all there is to know about me. Humans are by nature too complicated to be understood fully. So, we can choose either to approach our fellow human beings with suspicion or to approach them with an open mind, a dash of optimism and a great deal of candour." Tom Hanks
me. October 14, 2012 at 06:06 PM
Re: "I hope this happens too one of your kids, then you will realize everybody is worth a second chance... " -CJC @ Peter Griffin I wouldn't go as far as wishing this upon anyone else. That is just a hateful thing to say. I do hope that someday you are able to realize, Peter, that people can change. That's not just based on some fairy tale idea, it's based on what I've experienced in my own life. Earlier I talked about how my father was an alcoholic. Well during his lows he cheated on my mother and was also physically abusive towards her. Some might say that he didn't deserve to be given any chances, that he was a waste of life, and if you would have asked me even 15 years ago I may have agreed. But I have seen the changes a person can undergo through him. He realized that he had a drinking problem and attended AA. Getting his drinking under control was his first step. Then he had to undergo counseling for anger management. In the process he lost me and my mother, and for many years he had to deal with that. Finally, when he was able to work through his problems, I was able to come back to him and welcome him back into my life. My mother and him never remarried, however they are now able to talk to eachother, which is an improvement upon what I saw in my earlier years. He has gone back to school and become a teacher. And guess what? The students love him! He has taken his life and completely turned it around. Maybe some day this young man will be able to do the same...
me. October 14, 2012 at 06:12 PM
Re: "Are you in a relationship with this dude and did I strike a nerve? Sorry, didn't mean to offend your boyfriend, but he isn't worth your time." -Peter Griffin @ CJC I have read all through these posts and no where do I see anything that leads to CJC being a girl or this guy's lover. If anything I'd have to go with it being a guy by his last outburst...
CJC October 14, 2012 at 07:22 PM
Honestly, i can care less what you think! IM not gonna sit here and debate with you about my gender thats just dumb and pathetic, see i think youre good with writing stories.. You should start making fairry stories since all you can come up with is bs! Sorry for my comment but you need too realize good people make stupid choices that they have too live with not you! Thank god your not in or legal systems your jails would be so overcrowded! You dont see good! all u have is a blank void for all the people u pass by! Look at the famous ppl that have been in prison for worse, and they still get opening hands into society!
CJC October 14, 2012 at 07:25 PM
Alll i was getting at is people good and bad can go to jail or prison.. people make dumb choices without thinking of the consequence!
Peter Griffin October 14, 2012 at 09:09 PM
Somebody's upset.....
Peter Griffin October 14, 2012 at 09:23 PM
@me I just thought CJC sounded female -- especially after the wishing things on my kids comment -- that is just low...beyond low. Anyway, my only beef is that the pub is being blamed by some and I feel that people are responsible for their own actions. A freind of mine asked me to consider the possibility that the guy was angry the pub made him leave and cut off his booze. Then, what if he, out of anger, ran his car into the pub? I don't know this to be a fact, but it has as much plausibility as the pub over serving him. I have some extended family members -- one was in the news a few months ago for doing some pretty bad stuff (prison time along with multiple DUIs and DWIs) --- I have nothing to do with them by choice and told them to stay away from my family. They have been getting in trouble their whole life and don't care to change. I am actually better off without them. No hard feelings .me........you know how to debate without making personal attacks ****unlike SOME people here*****. Still cannot believe that CJC is resorting to personal attacks on kids and dropping f-words on this site. Back to the Tigers --- hopefully it turns out like the Lions game.
CJC October 14, 2012 at 10:18 PM
I am not upset! i really dont care what u say! Perhaps you and your friend shouldnt play the what if game, thats just pathetic.. What if! everybody is entitled to their own opinion.. I think you sir are upset and i can careless, the only thing i wanted you too realize is stuff does happen too good people.. And yes the pub should get in troubled just like the suspect is!
Peter Griffin October 14, 2012 at 10:29 PM
Somebody's cranky....
brian t. dogge October 14, 2012 at 10:31 PM
Sounds like it's that time of the month.
Peter Griffin October 14, 2012 at 10:34 PM
CJC October 15, 2012 at 04:55 AM
how because all im trying to do is prove a point, an easy valid point! if you people dont realize that, then it not my fault.. like you mr T.D. you and Peter should write together you guys would a magical mix! And serious this again im not here for any debating whats right and wrong if you cant see it, the problems then you are blind..
CJC October 15, 2012 at 05:20 AM
If you wanna ignore laws that are set in place to govern are societies, then tell me how this is acceptable.. Its the same idea screw wearing my safetly device, and when you get pulled over you get a fine! Or when your speeding! Your excuses is good all the time, strict laws.. Thats my main point we or governed by strict laws set in place by our elected officials to keep our citizens safe and from harms way.. I now the suspect, will most likely recieve jail time. But if i were too meet him after he gets out id have a welcoming hand, the same as it were anybody else in this planet we call earth! Just a fyi the main thing when coping with problems is having an open mind and an open hand! Thats the best support...


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