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Oakland Township Board Under Fire Over Prayer

The American Civil Liberties Union says the First Amendment was violated during a November meeting in which the name of Jesus Christ was invoked.

The American Civil Liberties Union says the Oakland Township Board of Trustees violated the First Amendment during a meeting in which the name of Jesus Christ was invoked during a prayer.

A YouTube video of the Nov. 27 meeting shows Trustee Judy Keyes delivering the prayer, in which she stated, "We ask that you guide us Lord to search for what is right, what is good and to always seek the truth. We ask for your blessings on everybody in this room and all of Oakland Township. In Jesus’ name I pray – amen.”

A letter dated Feb. 26 from the ACLU to the trustees and Oakland Township Supervisor Terry Gonser cited the organization's objections to the prayer and urged the community to adopt a policy prohibiting such sectarian invocations. A response was requested by March 21.

"Under Well-established law, a governmental body offering a prayer
before a legislative session, Where that prayer singles out one religion over others, violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the Constitution," the letter stated.

Gonser said the township has not decided what action to take and that he planned to meet with township attorneys to discuss the matter, according to The Oakland Press.

“I think we have to be prudent and make sure we do it right,” Gonser told the newspaper.

[How do you think Oakland Township should respond to the ACLU's letter? Leave a comment]

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Garry G Brigolin March 3, 2013 at 02:24 pm
How sad in this time of national economic and moral despair, we have an organization (ACLU) unable to rise above it's pathetic political venue.
I applaud our board for it's christian based prayer during any season...and encourage , this direction any time, to continue a practice our country was founded upon.
Mary Duenow March 3, 2013 at 03:13 pm
Oakland Township board must pray in private and preserve separation of church and state.
Theodore Davis March 3, 2013 at 04:25 pm
It is a sad day when you have to consult an attorney after reciting a prayer.
The ACLU has caused more problems than it has resolved. This Country has been founded on christian values,and in my view I will fight for that to continue. The ACLU contacts and harasses Oakland Township,but would not have the gall to contact and harass professional sports try making that complaint at a nascar race . Quite frankly The ACLU would have there rear ends handed to them post haste .
GREGORY GAUBATZ March 3, 2013 at 05:15 pm
HOW DO YOU CONTACT THE ACLU AND TELL THEM THAT THEY ARE
VIOLATING MY RIGHTS TO HERE THIS PRAYER
Barbara Holder March 3, 2013 at 06:26 pm
Actually she should have said "In God's name I pray-Amen." Jesus is specifying a specific religion is it not? Where a reference to God could be any religion even if someone worshiped a rock and they call it their God. Being a representative body of the people they do have to be careful of what they say but if it was her specific comment for only herself then she is not necessarily speaking for the whole body, and should not be an issue.
Dolores (Dee) Smith March 3, 2013 at 06:30 pm
Freedom of speech is a right guaranteed in our Constitution. I support Mrs. Judy Keyes right to invoke the Name of Jesus in the invocation.
Dolores (Dee) Smith
Dolores (Dee) Smith March 3, 2013 at 06:35 pm
Freedom of speech is also in the Constitution. Oakland Township should continue having prayer before their meetings and protect the rights of their members to use the name of Jesus.
Jody Newsome March 3, 2013 at 07:05 pm
I think it is a tragedy that God is being taken out of schools and government. Our country will only go down hill from here. If your not with God, your with Satan...there is NO middle ground.
justacitizentoo March 3, 2013 at 07:30 pm
This Board is a joke! Keyes and the other 4 newly elected members are all right wing, tea bagger, religious nuts! They will soon turn down a $1.1 million grant for a key hookup to the Paint Creek Trail because they don't want Govt. money. They also won't deal with 2 out of 9 property owner that don't want fair compensation for small easements on their 10 and 36 acre lots. The other property owners donated the easements for the most part (some took cash).
It's only a matter of time before they are all recalled!
Canadian Honker March 3, 2013 at 08:33 pm
The ACLU should take a hike.
This organization should not be subsidized by our government. The ACLU has proven over and over again how far right they are. For 200 years we have survived without this type of meddling. Always on the wrong side. Continue with the prayers. I commend you for this brave and worthwhile endeavor.
Candi Murasky March 3, 2013 at 08:54 pm
I agree with what Garry has stated ...and.....our world is in such a terrible state & ACLU has nothing better to do than pick on a prayer? Pathetic!!!!!
Linda Andersen March 3, 2013 at 08:59 pm
this is ridiculous...freedom of speech, people. in this day and age, when our country is going down the drain, we need Jesus in our lives more than ever....
Jerry Ciaramitaro March 3, 2013 at 09:34 pm
Does the opening prayer of a Trustee of a Governmental body restrict a trustee from acknowledging their tenants of faith or source of faith as part of the submission of an opening prayer? Is not the township board a public forum entitling each resident an opportunity to express opinion or preference on matters before the board, does not an elected official possess the same preference while speaking on their own behalf during a public hearing? Does the expression or opinion by a township trustee represent the endorsement of the Governing Board when it is arbitrarily given as an individual expression for the collective advancement of effective stewardship of township matters? It seems to me that the ACLU in its zeal to advance the Establishment Clause has abrogated the Constitutional right of individual expressions of elected officials in a governmental forum. It is a sad day when the Establishment Clause would be used to suffocate an elected officials invocation for the search of righteousness and truth in the decision making process. Jerry Ciaramitaro
Dolly49 March 3, 2013 at 10:22 pm
Jesus is not a religion. Christianity, however, is made up of several "religions"--Catholic, Episcopalian, Baptist, Methodist, etc.
mac March 4, 2013 at 01:54 pm
"In Jesus’ name I pray – amen.” She did NOT say WE pray. I agree with the freedom of speech and if the next person giving the prayer says "In xxxxxxx’ name I pray – amen.” should not be abig deal and the ACLU should spend its time on people trying to force a religion on others not someone who says 'I Pray'.
Garry G Brigolin March 4, 2013 at 02:08 pm
A quote from the MayflowerCompact (Pilgrims. November 11, 1620)
..."I sought for the greatness and genius of America in her commodious harbors and her ample rivers, and it was not there...Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits, aflame with righteousness, did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." -attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville The ACLU is an agenda based organization I believe that is contrary to a good and healthy America. "In God we trust" I wonder if these folks work through the religious holidays such as Christmas, or take the time off with pay" Hmmmmmmm??
Joshua Raymond March 4, 2013 at 05:29 pm
The Supreme Court already ruled this constitutional in Marsh v. Chambers. If Oakland Township wants to make sure they are absolutely in compliance, they can hire a chaplain to say the prayer before each meeting.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0463_0783_ZO.html
kim March 4, 2013 at 07:29 pm
I agree...there is a reason there is separation of church and state. There are appropriate places to pray such as church, home and private organizations. I'm not against those that want to pray, just not in public.
Andrew Bayley March 4, 2013 at 08:01 pm
This is what churches are for. I don't want to hear it, not at all.
We are not a christian nation. We have never been a christian nation. We will never become a christian nation. We are (supposed to be) a secular nation! If anyone would like to see a non-secular government, I'll gladly purchase the one way ticket to Tehran so they can experience it first hand. Next time the board tries to pull a stunt like this, somebody should round up a group of Sadhus (http://bit.ly/13AQmaj) from India and let them roll around the floor naked while smoking who-knows-what... and this will be OK because I shall blindly proclaim us all as a Hindu nation. Time to get real.
Dale Murrish March 4, 2013 at 10:41 pm
If a Christian is praying, he/she should pray in Jesus' name, a Muslim should pray to Allah, a Jew to Yahweh, a Hindu to his/her deities, etc.
As long as ministers from particular religions are not excluded or favored based on their representation in the community, it's fine. The ACLU knows this from many previous court cases (which they have lost) but ignores it to try to intimidate local communities who do not know the law. If an invited minister can’t make it, a Trustee who feels most comfortable should pray. Judy Keyes shouldn’t have to violate her beliefs by offering a completely generic prayer. Christians approach the throne of grace through Jesus, so it’s appropriate to end prayers in this manner. At the end of her perfectly acceptable prayer, she said “I pray in Jesus’ name, not “Oakland Township prays in Jesus’ name.” What a load of nonsense. America’s open forum for all beliefs is being challenged. No wonder some call it the Anti-Christian Liberties Union. An agnostic should pray to the Great Unknowable One Who Might Be There But Can’t Be Proven, while a secularist should pray in the name of Almighty Government. Oakland Township should stand firm, and the friendly atheists at the ACLU should read the free expression clause of the First Amendment and find someone else to harass.
John March 5, 2013 at 05:19 am
I'm offended as a Christian when politicians use Jesus Christ as a tool to win votes, discriminate, or portray themselves as honest/caring people. The powers that be in Oakland Township aren't exactly the Girl Scouts. They are politicians and they are linked to some pretty nasty people. There is a word for when politicians use JC's name. Blasphemy.
Joshua Raymond March 5, 2013 at 04:58 pm
If the ACLU really believes they can win a court case about this, let them sue the U.S. Congress, which opens each day with prayer. The prayer from December 4, 2012 can be found at http://chaplain.house.gov/archive/index.html?id=1866 It ends with "This I pray in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ."
This was not meant to be a country with all reference to religion removed. The First Continental Congress opened with prayer. http://chaplain.house.gov/archive/continental.html From the very beginnings of our country, prayer - usually quite sectarian in nature - was said at government meetings. BTW, the Constitution Convention did not have prayer - because they couldn't afford a chaplain. Luckily, I doubt Oakland Township would have that issue.
Patricia Kane March 5, 2013 at 07:46 pm
The ACLU has done a 180 over the years. Let them sue Washington. If anyone is offended, let them not listen. Next thing we know, the ACLU will tell us we can't sing the Star Spangled Banner at the opening of sports games and what happened to starting the school day with the Pledge of Allegiance? I did. Last time I looked the American Flag waived over my house, my birth certificate says born in the USA, my money has GOD on it, elected officials use Bibles when taking an Oath of Office and Arlington is filled with white crosses-tell the ACLU to take a hike. And really, in this day and in this world, politicians aren't helping much, but prayer seems to help get many over the rough spots and for many, it gives hope that people will be honest, moral, ethical and respectful.
Ben March 5, 2013 at 08:08 pm
Tom Jefferson was a Unitarian who re-wrote the Bible. Ben Franklin was also a Unitarian and most rarely ever discussed “Christ” Alexander Hamilton was jewish. Oakland Township Teavangelicals. Run dirty campaigns, support gay bashing Tom McMillin. I'm missing the Christianity party. They don't pray before meetings in Rochester Hills (Barnett is an Uber Christian, supposedly). They don't pray before Rochester meetings. Let's be fair to everyone or at least name every kind of GOD. In God We Trust - That could mean Allah, Buddha, etc.
Dale Murrish March 5, 2013 at 10:59 pm
I agree with you that politicians should not misuse the name of Jesus to gain votes. It’s up to the voters to discern whether they are doing that. I listened to the tape and heard the tail end of a heartfelt prayer from a sincere lady.
Different people hear things different ways and form different opinions based on their belief system. One person’s idea of nasty is another’s traditional values. We don’t know what went on before she spoke. Perhaps the minister who was invited couldn’t make it. I think the ACLU is fishing for trouble and should try a different lake. In this case they have overstepped their bounds.
Dale Murrish March 7, 2013 at 10:11 pm
Exactly. America currently has an open forum for everyone except evangelical Christians, Catholics, and others with traditional values who are maligned and misrepresented. Opposing gay marriage is not bigoted behavior.
“Bigot – someone who is rigidly devoted to his own group, religion, race or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.” Yes, there are a few bigots who identify as Christians, but what about the bigots who slam them into walls with hateful names because they have a different political opinion? “Teavangelicals. Run dirty campaigns, support gay bashing Tom McMillin?”
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